Comments on: Componentization wars part II – Guerrilla tactics

By: OSGi vs. Jigsaw - Why can’t we TALK? | All the small things

OSGi vs. Jigsaw - Why can’t we TALK? | All the small things — Wed, 01 Jul 2009 02:01:51 +0000

[...] standard beyond the JVM. I already expressed my feelings in an older blog post called [Componentization Wars Part II]. Anyway, I guess there are some things I can’t change, so I’ll try my best to at least [...]

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By: The myth of software reuse | All the small things

The myth of software reuse | All the small things — Thu, 02 Apr 2009 02:25:01 +0000

[...] themselves. Sun might be the only one fitting, but after all the problems with JSR 277 and project JigSaw, I have no convidence in their ability and willingness anymore. To be fair, one have to admit that [...]

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By: Mirko

Mirko — Mon, 19 Jan 2009 10:12:37 +0000

Eclesia, you’re right. Just because everyone is using a certain technology, it doesn’t mean it is perfect or just the best on the market. Very often there are more factors involved. I personally prefer Eclipse over NetBeans in most, but not all areas. I’m using both and decide on a case to case basis. What ever fits better to my current needs wins.
Concerning my critique on Sun and it’s practices, you got me a little wrong. I’m not seeing it black and white: “One is evil, while the other one is good.”
OSGi, especially the spec creation process happens behind closed doors, well except you are a paying member. This, as you can imagine, isn’t the best thing in my opinion, but things have changed and we now get drafts of the latest versions. the OSGi even went through the JCP and standardized OSGi in the JSR 291, where everyone was invited to critique and improve the spec, but only a few did with more minor changes (good ones, but still minor). This kind of behavior/attitude is what we need. Go out, ask the community what is wrong or what can be improved and then find a consensus. Not create something in secret and just tell us this is how it is – eat it or leave it. It’s the attitude that’s important here. Everything else falls into part as soon as bright people really start talking and sharing their ideas. I am a strong believer in open discussions, so in my humble opinion, that’s what is Sun missing most.

You’re claiming, I am saying, “I’m right, they are wrong” and I am not helping. Well, still not sure where I am right, because I didn’t make a any claim, but I am saying that the secret way Sun is pursuing is counter productive. As a good citizen of the community, I am trying to talk about problems, solutions, experiences and news in my blog. I am trying to share and help others to get inspired, amused or just find the solution they are looking for. Sure, me alone, I can’t solve the problem I was discussing in my post, but I am trying to play my part/ my role and contribute with the tools I have at hand.

Cheers,
Mirko

Btw.: Eclipse != OSGi. The Eclipse guys are very hard trying to adopt the OSGi architecture/ideas, but still have a long way to go! (f.i. uninstall, services, life updates…)

By: eclesia

eclesia — Mon, 05 Jan 2009 18:15:49 +0000

Well, I don’t trust OSGI anymore since I leaved Eclipse for Netbeans because of module dependencies problems.

perhaps osgi has evolved in the last year but the fact is I dont trust it enough to use it, netbeans uses a different approach which never showed me any dependencies problems, in fact I even build my applications on netbeans rcp with it’s module management.

I’m not saying Eclipse/OSGI is bad, and not saying netbeans/Sun is right.

What I see is that eclipse became the most used IDE and dragged with him new tecchnologies like SWT,OSGI, … and now try to impose them as a de-facto standard. I dont really like this, having the biggest community doesnt mean you have the best solution.

You say Sun is like a “small child” and uses “guerrilla tactics” and also “Keep your eyes open and don’t fall for the dark side”.

What’s this ? the good OSGI against the evil Sun ?
You don’t show any reasons, you just say “I’m right, they are wrong”.

It’s not with your help that this problem will be solved.